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Anna Rose Layden/Pool EPA The Making of an Autocrat: podcast out now Published: January 15, 2026 1.44am GMT Justin Bergman, Digital Storytelling Team, The Conversation, Emma Shortis, Erica Frantz, Joe Wright, Lucan Way, Natasha Lindstaedt, Paul M. Collins Jr.

Authors

Justin Bergman
International Affairs Editor, The Conversation
Digital Storytelling Team
The Conversation

Interviewed

Emma Shortis
Adjunct Senior Fellow, School of Global, Urban and Social Studies, RMIT University
Erica Frantz
Associate Professor of Political Science, Michigan State University
Joe Wright
Professor of Political Science, Penn State
Lucan Way
Distinguished Professor of Democracy, University of Toronto
Natasha Lindstaedt
Professor in the Department of Government, University of Essex
Paul M. Collins Jr.
Professor of Legal Studies and Political Science, UMass Amherst

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Erica Frantz is a research fellow at the Charles F. Kettering Foundation. Emma Shortis is director of International and Security Affairs at The Australia Institute, an independent think tank. Natasha Lindstaedt does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment. Paul Collins does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment. Lucan Way has received funding from the Social Science and Humanities Research Council of Canada. Joe Wright has received funding from the National Science Foundation, the Minerva Research Initiative, and private foundations.

Digital Storytelling Team does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.

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We used to have a pretty clear idea of what an autocrat was. History is full of examples: Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, along with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping and Viktor Orban today. The list goes on.

So, where does US President Donald Trump fit in?

In our new podcast, The Making of an Autocrat, we asked six experts on authoritarianism and US politics to explain exactly how an autocrat is made – and whether Trump is on his way to becoming one.

This is the step-by-step guide Trump is following, tried and tested the world over by the strongmen Trump seeks to emulate.

Step 1: hijack a party

Like strongmen around the world, Trump’s first step was to take control of the Republican Party, explains Erica Frantz, associate professor of political science at Michigan State University.

Once a would-be autocrat dominates a party like this, they have a legitimate vehicle to begin dismantling a democracy. As Frantz explains:

Our research has shown this is a major red flag for democracy. It’s going to enable Trump to get rid of executive constraints in a variety of domains, which he has, and pursue his strongman agenda.

Step 2: recruit an architect

Every autocrat needs a clan of loyalists, strategists, masterminds – these are the figures behind the scenes pulling the strings. They’re unelected and unaccountable, yet they wield a huge amount of power.

This is the role Stephen Miller has played for Trump, explains Emma Shortis, a Trump expert and an adjunct senior fellow at RMIT University in Melbourne.

I think what Stephen Miller demonstrates and, and history has demonstrated over and over again is that autocrats cannot rise to power by themselves. They often require a singular kind of charisma and a singular kind of historical moment, but they also need architects behind them who are able to facilitate their rise to power.

Step 3: manufacture a crisis

Trump has sounded the alarm that the United States is facing an “invasion” by dangerous gang members. He blames immigrants for the country’s economic problems and claims protesters are destroying US cities.

He is not the first would-be autocrat to manufacture a crisis to seize extraordinary powers. As Natasha Lindstaedt, an expert in authoritarian regimes at the University of Essex, explains, a strongman “loves a crisis”.

A crisis is the way that they mobilise their base, the way that they can depict themselves as the saviour, as this messianic type of figure that is going to save people from this chaotic world.

Step 4: beat the courts

In democratic systems, the courts are a vital check on a leader’s power. They have the ability to overturn laws and, in Trump’s case, the executive orders he has relied on to achieve his goals.

Since taking office, Trump has targeted the judiciary with a vengeance. As Paul Collins, a Supreme Court expert from the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, explains:

It’s all about presidential power. And that’s really significant because it’s going to enable the president to basically inject a level of politics into the federal bureaucracy that we frankly haven’t really seen before in the US.

Step 5: suppress the people

The list of people Trump has punished or threatened since returning to office is long: James Comey, Letitia James, John Bolton, as well as members of the opposition, such as Adam Schiff, Mark Kelly and Kamala Harris.

He has gone so far as to call Democrats “the enemy from within”.

According to Lucan Way, a professor of democracy at the University of Toronto, when a leader attacks the opposition like this, it’s a clear sign a country is slipping into authoritarianism.

It really has this kind of broader silencing effect that I think is quite pernicious.

Step 6: co-opt the military

Since returning to office, Trump has successfully expanded his power over his own party, the courts and the American people. Now, like many autocrats around the world, he’s trying to exert control over the military.

Joe Wright, a political science professor at Penn State University, says:

I am very concerned that getting the military to do illegal things will not only put US soldiers at more risk when they do engage in international missions in the future […] it’s a first step to using the military to target domestic political opponents.

That’s what really worries me.

This series was written by Justin Bergman and produced and edited by Isabella Podwinski and Ashlynne McGhee. Sound design by Michelle Macklem.

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